V 5/3 Live Pt. 2

오소와 (ohsowah) = cute way to say 어서와 (uhsuhwah) =
welcome back/come on in/etc.!

(this is also the first lyric in their song, Dope~ "어서와, Bangtan은 처음이지?

My commentary in green.
Part 1

[from last time..]
V: they say that's the first stage [of lucid dreaming]
Jin/RM: what's the second stage?
V: the second stage is like.. they keep like..
Jin: punching themselves in the face?
V: no no

V: now that I've become 'aware' of dreaming, I can try walking a bit or flying.. stuff
RM: i think it's amazing that the 'will' is even involved - like if you say 'i want to fly' - cuz aren't you just only supposed to be a passive observer in dreams? like in movies?
Jin: really? i'm always the first-person protagonist in my dreams
RM: i mean I'm also the first-person protagonist but I don't feel like I'm controlling my will in dreams - no?
Jin: i think i do in most cases..
RM: always feels like the dream is just flowing around me cmt
(vs. a narrative he controls)
Jin: I mean when I dream, a bit unlike Taehyung, something is always happening (or a bit more accurately for context, he's always in the middle of some chaos going down) and ...well I don't dream all that much but I do think I've had a few dreams recently
V: I always thought that when you dream, the "story" continues - have you had many experiences where you're dreaming and wake up and go back to sleep and you continue the dream you were having?
RM: that's happened before sure
V: I really like that
RM: but that doesn't happen often
Jin: right
V: but if I wake up and then go into a different dream .. if I go into a different dream that's really hard for me. I like continuous dreams.
RM/Jin: ...
Jin: okay next subject..

LOLLL RM is so funny... just straight up looks right into the camera and says...

RM: his preferences.. Taehyung's new preferences.. if you could please add that to his Namuwiki, it'd be much appreciated
Jin: that's right

and this is how i learned that Namuwiki exists.. someday I'll have to do a series where I unpack all the info on each of their Namuwiki pages... holymoly. I'm sure most of this information is ubiquitously known across global ARMY but there's a section with all their nicknames (including their Korean nicknames!)

Jin: Taehyungie's lucid dreaming.. the only Lucid I know is the one that's a boss in Maple Story
RM: i'm kinda like.. is lucid dreaming something that's even possible to succeed at? if you could, it'd be so much fun right?
Jin: maybe if you look up reviews/accounts of it?
RM: that'd be like the live-action Ready Player One
Jin: but then .. later you might not be able to distinguish between reality and dreams.. don't you think? ::reenacting V's hand trick:: okay so one day you push your fingers all the way back. BUT! it's reality..
RM: oooh
(they're dead serious having THIS conversation. i love them so much.)

Jin continuing: but then okay and so I punch you like this ::fakepunch in tiny:: cuz I thought it was a dream but then because it was reality.. then ..then I'd go to jail.

bingbongs. every single one.
serious business is being discussed.

RM: or like to the hospital...

V: no but like inception.. so in order to be able to tell whether or not I'm dreaming..
Jin: there's a medium?

매체 (maechae) = medium/channel of communication

V: no.. not really a 'medium'
Jin continuing anyway: like a medium/conduit that..
V: there's a research method for that though
RM: maybe there's some kind of trigger like this ::pulls his hand back like V showed earlier:: maybe there's an official formula/equation/set way to do it [lucid dream]
V: yea that's right - once you're aware that you're dreaming - the people that can get that far..
RM: but there's that kinda thing to that once you clock that you're in a dream - all the others look at you.. like in inception

i can't believe this discussion has gone on this long.. #yesican

Jin: isn't that kinda like a fake review you see on the internet?
RM: maybe it's an urban legend?
Jin: don't you think?
RM: once you're like 'oh am i dreaming?' and then everyone looks at you and stuff right?

(😑😑😑....)

I've actually had dozens of lucid dreams - but none of them were instances where I intentionally 'summoned' it to happen or wanted it to happen. so PERSONALLY, i do know lucid dreaming is possible.. but i don't ..trust that it's a 'discipline' one could train to do on any sort of regularly repeatable basis..lolll

Jin: i mean dreams can have like endless kinds of 'plots' right? so what if "lucid dreaming" is just one of the many 'plots' that can happen in dreams?
RM: i mean that's what happens in inception
V: that's right
RM: where they all look at the guy
Jin: i don't know.. tbh i fell asleep during Inception so I don't know Inception very well..

(😑😑😑....)

RM: you were watching Inception while you were 'living out' Inception huh?
Jin: yea like i passedddd out...
RM: ah, too bad..

they're so cute jakl;dfjg;lakdfjglkaf

V: that guy's goodlooking in that one.. ...Rabbit
RM/Jin:..............

RM: i mean there's the part where the buildings crumble and there's running.. there's the coin.. and ..🎶[Non, je ne ] regrette rien🎶
Jin: there's the spinning top.. and the buildings coming down... that's all I know
RM: i should watch it again - inception
Jin: i should watch it again too
V: inception is fun
Jin: that was a very exhausting time though [the day that they watched Inception]
RM: that's right that's right
Jin: back in the day I used to fall asleep watching things like Avengers too
RM: Endgame was a bit long though
Jin: it was one before that.. maybe it was 2?

V: when the spinning top doesn't stop - that was the dream right...
RM/Jin: right
V: i think in lucid dreaming, that's kinda like the same thing as ::flips his hand back::
RM: like the trigger right?

...V must've either zoned out, willfully chosen to tune his hyungs out, or V's internal wifi connection was just on a delay because why did he respond with that 3 business days later? i do not know. but we love him nonetheless

RM: you know how sometimes people slap themselves to see if they're dreaming?
V: ...that actually has nothing to do with anything
Jin: but you do things like that in real life anyway -maybe it just doesn't hurt you anymore?
RM::slaps himself in the face:: hurts though
Jin: lollll


Jin finds his bb koala leader hilarious. RM is pleased with himself for making hyung laugh. V is still dedddserious about lucid dreaming jakldfg;lafjg LMAO

V: what about dreams where you're falling
Jin: that means you're growing taller!
RM: isn't that a pretty common dream though? like falling off of something?
Jin: really?
RM: yea
Jin: i..
RM: or not falling off of stuff but you know like you're walking up the stairs and then you just misstep and go 'UGH' right?

(friends, V is raising his hands waiting for his turn to speak. i die.)

V::UGH:: (echoing the noise RM made)
RM: you know what I mean right?
V::nods yes::
Jin: isn't that like a dream you have when you're still in school?
RM: no i have those every now and then

(is RM STILL growing??? 👀😂)

Jin: in school where you like 'bump into something' and go UGHH
RM: like UGHH oh it's just a dream
Jin: I think I dream maybe 4-5 times in a year
RM: i don't dream very often

Jin: I had like three dreams since arriving here though
RM: that's because you play those games
V: I think I dream like 200times a year..
Jin: REALLY?? I don't really dream at all and sleep really well
RM: but it's likely that we do dream - we just can't remember them all because ..
Jin: we're dumb?
RM: no.. not that so much as.. cuz like even when you're dreaming and you just wake up you only remember the very last bit of it
V: right
RM: yea so it might just be that we forget really quckly

V: but hyung (to Jin) the fact that you don't dream at all is really good because it means that you're getting deep sleep - for me, dreaming so much, it's REM sleep - REM sleep is Rapid Eye Movement sleep
Jin: wow how far did you learn about this..
V: where when you close your eyes, your eyes keep moving and that's called REM sleep
RM/Jin::hyping up bb bro for learning about this, it's kinda mumbled/jumbled but you've learned so much, you like legit looked into this::
V: well cuz I like dreams

bleps of smugness for getting hyped by his hyungs. JKL:FRDJGLDFJG:LDFJKG they're all so friggng cute. how possibly. i can't stand it. ajkdfl;gjaldfjg;lajfg SO PRECIOUS AGHGHHDFGJDKL:FJGLKDFJg

RM: Rapid eye movement huh..
V: where my eyes move like this ::physical demonstration::
RM: isn't it so fascinating that when a person sleeps, their eye moves so quickly
Jin:: physical demonstration
V to RM: that's what I mean!
RM: cuz there's no reason for that to be happening normally

V: that's why when you want to fall asleep fast you have to.. like you have to close your eyes and
RM: move them quickly?
V: no you have to look up, then to the sides, then to the bottom, and then to the left, and then go full circle.. and if you keep doing that then you will fall right to sleep
Jin: oh REALLY??
V: yea that's a thing

V speaking to his hyungs in this live about lucid dreaming and sleep is giving the same energy as like a kindergartener who found a very special shiny snail at school during recess and NEEDS you to know the details of the discovery lol i love Jin and RM for listening to him, contributing to the conversation - sure, some gentle trolling - but never making V feel small or 'too much'

Jin: for me - before I go to sleep, I always imagine something.. like if I were to fly in the sky..
RM: but doing that is really supposed to help with falling asleep
Jin: oh REALLY???

RM: thinking about things that are completely detached from reality or imagining those kinds of things is...
Jin:.. that helps??
V: what what?? (he was tuning out so he didn't hear what RM said)
RM to Jin: try it tonight
V: wait what kinda stuff??
RM: like imagining something that's completely detached from reality because if you're thinking about things that happened in real life.. you might be like.. for example like 'ah i should've beat that boss [in the game] or..
V: ahh
Jin: oh scenes like that?
RM: or like oh earlier at the concert I shouldn't have done this or I should do that tomorrow.. stuff like that - so instead of things like that more like..
Jin finishing RM's sentence: like imagining I'm a game character or something?
RM finishing Jin's sentence: and I'm flying.. when a bird crashes into me so I greet the bird.. this kinda thing
Jin: ...i only ever have thoughts like that
RM: that's what I mean that's what I mean - that is really helpful
Jin: oh THAT's why I don't do REM sleep

(😑😑😑)

RM: ...that's why you fall asleep quickly...
V: I do SO much REM sleep
Jin: oh really? do you not have thoughts like that?
RM: rapid eye movement?
V: mm I'm not sure.. but i do have a lot of useless thoughts

friends... just because i've seen some comments on my latest derpus video asserting like "oh THIS is why my sleep ...XYZ" - ***please do not take this very lowkey chaotic conversation as comprehensive information/advice on why or why not your sleep is a certain way.

Good sleep is so important to good overall health and you should have solid information on why your sleeping patterns are the way they are - especially if they need to be improved!

Barring cases of individuals with sleeping disorders and other exceptional case scenarios, most "average" individuals experience light sleep (N1/N2), deep sleep (N3), and REM sleep cyclically, about every 90 minutes, MULTIPLE times per night. Read more here.

Jin: for me I think.. before I fall asleep I barely ever have any thoughts about real life

PROTECT JIN AT ALL COSTS

RM: hyung, I think your gaming helps - since your games are so unrealistic too
Jin::laughing at RM keeps citing his game playing::
RM: cuz if you play games for a whileee - kinda naturally [you'd be ] like 'ah if I were that character then...' this kind of ..this kind of
Jin: ah so all along I've been doing things that were good for me in my life

Jin is the master of being a sweet hyung AND trolling at the same time

RM: i think it's really helpful for your sleep

V: if we had that capsule machine that we talked about before, where you could like go into a virtual game reality space..
RM: i'd want to live there
V: all the people who sleep deeply can't get in
Jin: oh then I guess I won't be able to get in
V: yea, hyung you wouldn't be able to get in
Jin: oh only people who do REM sleep can get in?
V(finishing his own thought): cuz like.. (answering Jin in tiny): no I have never done that so I don't know

...V is so cute I wanna eat him.

[talking over each other]
RM: later if you have enough cash though, don't you think they'd let REM sleepers in?
V: don't you think they'll come out with it some day though? this VR game reality space?
RM: i'm sure they will come out with it eventually
Jin: i mean even now, sometimes I play games 13- 14- hours ...so if something like that comes out.. truly.. .by then don't you think there will be a time when food is just supplied via IV or something
RM: like substance
V in tiny: like substance